In the first year of the Covid19 pandemic the Amsterdam based organization for the preservation of media art LIMA arranged a great series of online artist talks and discussions. I was asked to make a proposal for this series and chose to have a discussion with two female artist coders: Nancy Mauro-Flude and Winnie Soon. An excerpt from the announcement: “The internet and the computer depend on language as the most basic, hidden interface between humans and machines. By intervening at the level of code we can describe and create alternative digital environments. Code often is an expressive mixture of mathematical programming languages and pre- and postdigital cultural codes, which can bring either reactionary or progressive societal forces to the fore. Cultural bias and political directionality are embedded in it. The same holds true for how we describe and approach the tools and cultures of the digital age 'above ground' in our cultural discourse. Also here language highly influences our experience and behavior.” The event was recorded for the LIMA online streaming archive LIMA online streaming archive here.